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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 14, 2009 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Bob Weir will perform his first solo album, Ace, in its entirety with RatDog. The performance will take place in Negril, Jamaica as part of 2nd Annual RatDog Daze festival. The destination event is scheduled for the weekends of January 23-January 27 and January 28-February 1, featuring multiple sets from RatDog. Jackie Greene will also support the first weekend of RatDog Daze.
Though billed as a Weir solo album, Ace was recorded with the members of the Grateful Dead. The 1972 album features a number of familiar songs, including “Greatest Story Ever Told,” “Playing In The Band,” “Looks Like Rain,” “Mexicali Blues,” “One More Saturday Night” and “Cassidy.”

one word ----- YAWN

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 14, 2009 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

I am looking forward to Valentine's Day @ Cornell.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2009 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Actually, I called CLIFF to see about the two of us making arrangements, but he seemed uninterested...when I spontaneously broke into "Looks Like Rain", he hung up on me...

Hmmm--now that I think of it, I bet I could sing ACE tunes better than Bob. Maybe I should offer my services.

What do folks think of these "play the entire historic album" shows? I know it seemed sorta cool when the DEAD were doing it over the past yr or two, but doesn't it seem too much of a "oldies for fanatics" approach? I know that's what all "geezer circuit" shows come down to at one level, but really...?

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 14, 2009 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

I tend to agree with you. An exception might be Brian Wilson touring to play "Smile" in its entirety, since the album had never officially been released until he completed/recreated it a few years back. But others, like Pink Floyd playing Dark Side in it's entirety, could be perceived as pandering to audiences vs. maintaining artistic integrity. I don't pretend to understand their motivations, though.

Re: the geezer circuit generally, I recall Mick Jagger saying in the last 10 years something to the effect of "that's what people are paying for... To hear Jumpin Jack Flash" [bastardized quote] which speaks volumes about the way he views his role as entertainer.

Now Ace is different since it wasn't a mega-album. Which leads back to bluedevils assessment - yawn...

This post was modified by cosmic charlie dupree on 2009-12-14 19:17:14

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2009 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: early stuff is always better, so STFU Tell!

Oh yeah--for all that responded: I defn liked the idea in some contexts (is nice to hear old DEAD albums that had many songs that weren't covered, but there it's partly because of that being "novel"), and I defn get that I go to see Winwood and Clapton, EG, doing the early era stuff of theirs I love (say, in that example, 65-75, or thereabouts).

But, I suppose if it becomes nothing but "do the oldies" then you have to sorta accept they aren't really "doing anything" these days, creatively speaking, or of course, they'd want to inflict--er, play those new tunes for us...

For an early is better for most all bands kinda guy, I suppose I shouldn't complain.

On that note, I heard a quote from Ozzie Osb to the effect of the "first album is always the BEST for any band" which supported that thesis (Rob and I discussed at some length some time back).

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 14, 2009 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: early stuff is always better, so STFU Tell!

I do agree that for the most part, early in the career is better. I would posit that the biggest exception to that rule would be the Beatles who only seemed to get better as time went on. Not only were they better musicians, but they also became better songwriters, and more adept at the studio.

I would argue that the most creative part of the beatles for me, at least, was when they stopped touring, and were able to devote so much studio time to the creation of the album. They really never intended for most of this stuff to be performed in front of an audience. Interesting...

My humble opinion: the White Album was the best that they accomplished as a unit. In this work, the strife of each musician trying to make an impact, trying to effect change, yet still trying to work together creates the most delicious counterpoint. I simply love that album.

I don't know if it's record company commitments, the pressure to out-do previous accomplishments, or really what it is, but I certainly don't know of many artists whose work improved dramatically over the years. Maybe Peter Gabriel, at least his latter output has been consistently wonderful.



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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 14, 2009 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: early stuff is always better...unless you're these guys

While I wouldn't rank The White Album at the top of my list (that would be Abbey Road), in general I would agree with you about the Beatles- with the possible exception of Beatles of Sale (sort of a holding pattern disc with a lot of coevers) and the ill-fated Get Back/Let It Be sessions, each of their efforts was a step forward in some way, shape or form from what had come before it.

In fairness, though, their career as a recording act was relatively brief. You could basically fit the whole thing inside the break the Dead took between Go To Heaven and In the Dark.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 14, 2009 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: early stuff is always better, so STFU Tell!

Always good to kick this stuff around, SL, and do tend to agree with the Beatles as an exception (see thread below which takes up this issue too), though I would pick 66 or so with the couple of albums, like Revolver, being real high points...but, I can see the White as well.

Not so sure about the end, the last couple of yrs, or last one I suppose. And, defn they didn't do as well "solo" IMHO.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Dec 14, 2009 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: early stuff is always better, so STFU Tell!

I saw the Who play Quadrophenia (sp?) from beginning to end (and then they played some other hits afterwords) but that was a case where all of the songs told a story, so it was definitely an interesting show. I guess that beats playing the new album and then getting some terrible medley of all the old (better) songs.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 14, 2009 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: early stuff is always better, so STFU Tell!

I loved that show. Never having had the opportunity to see them perform Quadrophenia live previously, and having it be one of my all time favorite pieces of work, the concert was seminal for me. I could have made better choices than Gary Glitter, and Billy Idol, but it was amazing.

Now, if only Genesis got back together and did "The Lamb" straight through... Only if Steve Hackett were there. There'd have to be Chester Thompson on Drums, though, as Phil Collins has given up the skins. Ahhh, the sins of old age...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 14, 2009 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

you probably can sing the album better than bob - especially since he basically just "talks" all the lyrics now.

Really - Weir and Shatner should go on tour together - it would be like a bad poetry reading extravaganza

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 14, 2009 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

I can think of a number of acts doing albums in their entirety these days. I think that it started when Phil closed out the Warfield. It was, at the time, a wonderful concept. Songs that hadn't been played live in years, or ever. New arrangements, and a heck of a lot of nostagia.

Then came Steely Dan. This past tour was really cool. They'd do entire albums, sometimes two a night, then a reader's request night. I've really found these to be exciting.

Next came Bruce Springsteen. His most recent tour included the Born To Run album in its entirety. I thought that it was completely cool.

I do think that I'm getting tired of the same old thing.

It could be worse, though. Doesn't anyone else think that "Heaven Help the Fool" is a little dated at this point? I still like these songs, but the arrangements are just a little too polished for me. So, at least ACE is a fresh album, even after 37 years...

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 14, 2009 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Stagger - glad you liked the Steely Dan tour. What album did you see performed? Did they perform the songs true to the album versions? No doubt the solos were creative, since those 2 guys are brilliant, but I was curious about how the general style of the songs compared to the vinyl.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 14, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

I saw AJA in Chicago...

http://cid-2ed6818a2ed9eecd.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/Steely%20Dan%20Boston%2009%20-%20Aja%20and%20The%20Royal%20Scam?view=details

Check out the above link. It's Aja and the Royal Scam from Boston for a flavor.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 14, 2009 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Awesome - thanks for sharing! I will check it out at home this evening, since I can't access this at work. Much appreciated....

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 15, 2009 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Stagger - I grabbed all the files you shared and listened to most on my drive & morning workout. They sound great, and it seems like they enjoyed playing too. Funny... I also realized that unlike the majority of bands that throw in the obligatory female backup singers in concert to sweeten things up, Steely Dan always used them in the studio (to stunning effect).... hence they NEEDED the backup girls to play live.

Thanks again for your generosity.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 15, 2009 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Least I could do. Glad you enjoyed it.

Try the Chicago Request Night as well...

http://tinyurl.com/ye269hy

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Poster: buscameby Date: Dec 14, 2009 10:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

TY TY TY !!!!!!!!

I have been a SD fan for 37 years and never got to see them live.

ALways something keeping me from going, even had tix once for Denver show.

These sound great for aud*S*.

Doin the penguin dance-lol.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 14, 2009 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

i have seen steely dans 7.22 and 7.24 shows but i can't find 7.25, any help would be most appreciated!!!!!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 14, 2009 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

When Springsteen played his last shows at The Spectrum he did a different album each night for the first few nights, not just Born To Run. As I recall he focused on the older ones for those shows. Seemed like a cool idea.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Dec 15, 2009 2:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Not a new idea at all. The Who did complete performances of Tommy and Quadrophenia. There are lots of early 70s Pink Floyd shows that are live versions of Dark Side of the Moon with an Echoes or a Shine on You Crazy Diamond encore...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Dec 16, 2009 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Cliff and WT buy tix yet?

Here's a reason to buy RatDog in Jamaica tix:

http://thejoint.98online.com/_Devil-Went-Down-to-Jamaica/video/861439/13306.html